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Write a post in response to the third question: What do you think Juliet should do considering her circumstances as a woman with a secret, banished husband and an oppressive father who demands she marry someone else? Please post you initial response by Sunday morning. This will allow for your classmates to post their two comments by Monday's class.
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Danny
3/13/2015 08:11:57 am
Considering the circumstances she is facing Juliet should leave her family and go with Romeo. One reason I say this is because her family is so angry about her not marrying Paris, which is unjust. Her own mother and father won't even acknowledge her existence until she agrees to marry Paris and her nurse who raised her and helped her marry Romeo betrayed her by agreeing with her parents. These terrible actions towards Juliet demonstrate that her family doesn't have her best interests at heart and don't truly love her themselves. She would be better off without them. On the other hand, she has already pledged herself to Romeo by marrying him, and despite his rash decisions, should follow him and will if she truly loves him. She made a vow and should see it through. Also, if she does leave her terrible and unloving family she most likely wouldn't have anywhere else to go than with Romeo. The friar could be another option but he would almost definitely urge her to go find her husband and might not have the means to support her.
Brian Ulbrich
3/13/2015 12:44:19 pm
I love the points you made about how Juliet really doesn't have a healthy and loving place to stay anymore than with Romeo, because everyone around her is letting her down and turning against her. On the other hand, I can see both ways on the point you made about how Juliet should just leave and is better off without her parents. I do feel that leaving her family for a Montague would only anger her family to the point that they would want to harm or kill both of them, and blame the Montague's for the leaving of her daughter for one of their's, but on the other hand I can see how leaving her family for Romeo would be making a large statement against the family feud, and the Capulets and Montague's would learn to come to peace knowing that it is possible for enemies to find happiness with each other.
Jordyn Forte
3/13/2015 01:28:04 pm
Danny,
Merri
3/13/2015 02:31:32 pm
I totally agree with what you are saying . Since her own mother and father won't reapect her because she wont marry Paris , she should go find Romeo. The only thing is that if she actually left and ran away with a Montague the families would most likely have a more brutal ricalry, especially because it is about their children.
Montanna Wortham
3/14/2015 08:30:41 am
Danny, I do agree that her family is unloving and is trying to do what is best for them, which they think is the best for Juliet. I like how you used relevant and supporting details (such as her family being unloving, exemplified in act four scene five) which helps your claim be stronger.
Bryan McKeever
3/15/2015 08:30:45 am
Danny,
Merri
3/13/2015 12:20:23 pm
Because of her father calling her terrible names and making offensive comments just because she would not marry Paris, Juliet should go be with Romeo. The people that she loves told her that if she did not marry the person that she did not love then she would be banished . Since Romeo is also banished , it would make sense to go against her parents and get disowned. Even her nurse betrayed her and agreed with her parents making it obvios that Juliet has nobody to turn to . Also, since she has already married and made a serios commitment to Romeo, it is logical to stay with her husband. Romeo is someone who loves her unconditionally , unlike her family and nurse, so it would be best for her to be with someone who truly loves her for who she is.
Brian Ulbrich
3/13/2015 12:38:31 pm
I feel the same way, that Juliet and Romeo should keep their relationship going, and I like how you brought up that her only options of future happiness depends on Romeo, because all those whom she trusted (Nurse, Lady Capulet, and Capulet) all turned against her and do not support her decisions. I'm not sure about how good of an idea it would be to go with Romeo and become disowned, because then Juliet wouldn't really have a place to go. The feud between the families is still going on, so if she were to move in with Romeo, the Montague's probably would not support that there is a Capulet living under their roof, just as the Capulet family would not like having Romeo under their roof.
Jordyn Forte
3/13/2015 01:27:20 pm
Merri,
Collin Vermilyea
3/15/2015 11:07:38 am
Merri, I really like the use of the word "unconditionally' to describe Romeo's live towards Juliet. It carries a very personal level of emotion that I think truly illustrates the relationship between Romeo and Juliet. They really do seem to show that they care for each other immensely. For instance, when Romeo realized what he had done after he killed Tybalt, he was caught in a stage of desperate realization that his rash decisions may have a pernicious effect on Juliet. Also. When Juliet heard the news, she was distraught mist likely because she would no longer be able to see Romeo.
Brian Ulbrich
3/13/2015 12:33:52 pm
After reading Act 3 Scene 5 where Capulet threatens and degrades Juliet for not wanting to marry Paris, and not being grateful to her father who set her up with a man any woman would drool over, I would say that Juliet should keep her relationship with Romeo going, but low-key. Due to Romeo's banishment after killing Tybalt, if he is seen near Juliet or anywhere near the Capulet he could face more sever consequences, which wouldn't be good for either one of them. Because the two are madly in love, I feel as if keeping the relationship going would make them stronger, and would prove that they can fight through any battle they come across. By making sure that Romeo's name doesn't get heard by any of her family and the two are not seen out together, the relationship can only get stronger. Being with Romeo, someone whom loves her as well as she loves him, it wouldn't make logical sense to keep living a life in agony from her parents and having to sped the rest of her days with a man who she doesn't care for,but in order to keep the peace and make sure that there is no more tension between the families, Romeo and Juliet cannot publicly display their relationship.
Jordyn Forte
3/13/2015 01:04:50 pm
I do not have a definite answer as to what Juliet should do in these unfortunate circumstances, but I do believe that Juliet's actions will be dependent upon her true feelings and dedication to not only her relationship with Romeo, but also to her relationship with her family. If Juliet is indeed 'head over heels' for Romeo, it is only justifiable for her to announce their relationship to her family, and to stick by his side even in the most challenging of situations. If Juliet were to honor her wedding vows, she would stay with Romeo and continue to love him, even after he was banished. This also means that Juliet would forgive Romeo for his rash actions that resulted in the death of one of her family members. But, if Juliet did not have strong feelings for Romeo or she felt as if she needed to stay true to her family's ethics, she would not assist Romeo. In this case, Juliet would ultimately sacrifice her marriage in order to please her parents and maintain a positive reputation for the Capulets. While it is true that environment in Juliet's house is hostile and uncomforting, Juliet does not have anywhere else to reside. Romeo and Juliet are only teenagers who are most likely incapable of taking care of themselves, therefore once they leave Verona, they will have nowhere to live. All in all, it is impossible to say which option is best for Juliet, seeing that both will have negative repercussions. If Juliet announces her relationship with Romeo, it will ruin her bond with her family and tear them apart. But, if she chooses to give into her Father's demands and marry Paris, she will be leading a life that she is unhappy with. If Juliet was making her choice based on logic, she should remain loyal to her parents and sacrifice her marriage to Romeo. But, if Juliet was acting out of love, she should support Romeo and leave her parents.
Merri
3/13/2015 02:36:45 pm
You definitely make valid points about why you can not yet make a judgment on what Juliet should do . I totally agree that even though her parents treat her horribly , if she actually left to be with Romeo then she would not have anywhere to live. The only thing that I would like to point out is that if she ran away it might not damage her bond with her family . The parents were not there to raise her and do not seem to treat her like a daughter should be treated , therefore they do not seem to have much of a bond to break .
Sophia
3/14/2015 11:26:19 am
Jordyn-
Makenzie Christiansen
3/14/2015 01:21:35 am
In my opinion I believe that considering the circumstances, Juliet will leave her family and live in Mantua with Romeo if her love for him were true-but if she truly only feels "lust" towards Romeo she would continue living with her family and marry Paris although it would be something she doesn't want to do. Juliet is told she will be married to Paris, and knowing this will ruin her marriage she tells her parents she will not marry Paris because she will marry Romeo instead. Capulet says that they "have a curse in having her" and calls her "worthless", which shows that her parents don't actually love her and they don't want her anymore. If Juliet felt lust towards Romeo, she would marry Paris and finally be accepted by her family, but she actually feels love towards Romeo. Although Juliet has the choice to leave her family and live with Romeo in Mantua, she tells her nurse that "if all else fail, I myself have the power to die." so she would rather die because nobody (in her family) accepts her and her love for Romeo. She cannot leave Verona and live with her love in Mantua because they are teenagers so they would have nowhere to live, and they can't take care of themselves. I believe that if Juliet had left her horrible family and the negative atmosphere she lives in, she could continue her relationship with Romeo; and they may not live 'happily ever after', but they would have the opportunity to spend the rest of their lives together.
Nathan Brown
3/15/2015 08:37:37 pm
For the most part, I agree with you Makenzie, how she would lead an unhappy life without Romeo. But with either decisions, there are consequences to be paid. Being with Romeo is to be disowned by her own flesh and blood, and being with Paris means she'll be unhappy. It's difficult to make a definite decision
Grace Mayer
3/14/2015 05:28:31 am
I think the best decision for Juliet to make is to be with Romeo because that choice would make the rest of her life happier and filled with more joy. To me, living happily is the most important aspect of someone's life because when a person wakes up and enjoys her surroundings and who she's with, she can feel like her life has a meaning and a purpose. If Juliet continues to live with a family that doesn't even appreciate her existence, let alone be forced to marry a man who she doesn't want to marry, she will most likely be miserable for the rest of her days and alway have regrets, thinking about how much better her life would have been if she were with Romeo. She may even ending up killing herself (Which is ironic because she commits suicide anyway, but for a different reason). However, if she does go with Romeo, she will be with someone who she deeply loves, considering that she does love him that much. He makes her more happy than her family or Paris ever could, and I think it would be worth the risk to be together. Not only that, but Juliet shouldn't trust what the Nurse has to say to her because the Nurse at this point has been supportive on both sides, originally advising Juliet to be with Romeo, then advising her to just marry Paris. The Nurse ultimately wants Juliet to make the easy decision, the decision that doesn't necessarily start drama or chaos, but this decision won't make Juliet happy or satisfied. Juliet can only rely on herself to make this choice, and if she follows her heart and chooses to be with Romeo, she won't live with heartbreak, remorse, and so many "what-ifs"
Montanna Wortham
3/14/2015 08:26:53 am
Grace, I agree with you because if Juliets happiness is with Romeo then she should do anything to stay with him. I think it was smart how you looked at both sides of what was happening, mentioning how unhappy she would be with Paris.
Colin Jones
3/14/2015 05:47:46 am
Juliet should stay in Verona and marry Paris. This is the only action Juliet could take that wouldn't force her to leave her friends and family, leave her home, and become a poor, homeless wife of a murderer. Juliet's father has stated that he will kick her out and banish her from her family, the Capulets, if she refuses to marry Paris. And if she stays and marries Paris, she will be forgiven and live as normal. If she doesn't marry Paris, Juliet would go and meet Romeo, who has been banished from Verona, murdered Juliet's cousin, and is an enemy to the Capulet family. Nothing about Romeo's situation could benefit Juliet in any way. Romeo and Juliet have known each other for about 2 days at this point, and Romeo never really thinks his decisions through. Based on other decisions he's made, such as killing Juliet's cousin, Tybalt, Romeo won't even realize what he's done until after he's done it, this is most likely the case with his marriage to Juliet. At some point, Romeo will probably regret marrying her and leave her, because he will realize how irrational a decision he has made. He was crying constantly about Rosaline, and then he saw Juliet and completely forgot about her. When that happens with Juliet, she won't even be able to return home, because she's been banished from her family just to be with Romeo. Juliet isn't acting very rationally either, after accepting to marry Romeo after knowing each other for just hours. One of them, or even both of them will regret staying together, because love isn't always an instant thing, especially when you're an adolescent/teenager, but Romeo and Juliet just assume it is. It seems to me that this is a game for Romeo and Juliet, and soon it's going to hit them that they've ruined their lives. If Juliet thinks it through, she'll know to stay in Verona and marry Paris, because otherwise, she will ruin her life by leaving with Romeo.
Torey Lussier
3/14/2015 09:13:24 am
Colin, I totally agree with you. It does seem irrational for Juliet to run away and go live with Romeo when he won't have a home to help support Juliet with. Marrying Paris seems like the safer decision even though she might not be fully happy.
Sophia
3/15/2015 04:24:23 am
Colin-
Bryan McKeever
3/15/2015 08:15:01 am
Although I can see your point Colin I think that Juliet will want what's best for her. Normally a person chooses from the heart as opposed to her mind. To me it just seems like her family back home is now completely against her, and that is not really incentive to stay with them given the choice.
Ben
3/14/2015 05:56:37 am
I feel that Juliet should go to Romeo instead of marrying Paris. This is because Juliet's parents only seem to care about what they want. To make things worst when Juliet told her parents that if she was to marry it would not be with Paris her dad began to call her cruel names such puppet and referred to her as baggage and anyone who would call someone they are so close to that then nothing will stop them from doing it in the future. Additional the thought of marring Paris seems to make Juliet very unhappy. I feel that if she went on with her parent plan to marry Paris on Thursday then she would have live with a person she had no feelings for and would have to go on with the rest of her life knowing that she abandoned her one chance at true happiness and the one person she actually loved. All of that could be avoid if she went to Romeo and spent the rest of her life banished like him. 3/14/2015 11:10:45 am
Ben I agree with you that Juliet's parents aren't thinking about how Juliet would feel being with Paris. Juliet needs to go with Romeo because their love is true and if she is going to be banished from her family for wanting to be with him then so be it. If she is happy then that's all that matters, she doesn't need them, all she needs is her husband the man who has pledged his love for her by one of the most important ceremonies of all time: marriage. They have found each other and their love is stronger then anything, they can't let it be ruined, it just can't happen, they love one another too much.
Danny
3/15/2015 12:26:50 am
Ben I fully agree with you. Living the rest of her life with someone she doesn't really love would be torture for Juliet. Her parents cruelty clearly demonstrates that they are only in it for themselves, as you pointed out. Banishment might not be so bad if it gets both Romeo and Juliet away from people that want to hurt them.
Andrew Brown
3/15/2015 10:22:25 am
I totally agree with you Ben. Not only is her father and mother not caring for what she would feel, they verbally abuse her by calling her a puppet and baggage because she is defying them. I like how you brought up the point of if she actually married Paris, because it shows a contrast of her love for both men, one being complete, the other forced.
Collin Vermilyea
3/15/2015 11:14:11 am
Ben, I think you make a very strong point when you bring up Capulet's use of the words "puppet" and "baggage." They really do give the feeling that Capulet cares more about his needs than for respecting his daughter's feelings. This is why I agree with you in saying that Juliet should leave her cold-hearted, insensitive parents and go to someone who will always love her. Also, I believe that, like you said, Juliet should do what she wants with her life, instead of staying and marrying Paris, whom she finds rather distasteful for marriage.
Nathan Brown
3/15/2015 08:46:20 pm
I agree Ben, but although it would be a more rational decision to be with Romeo because of the way her father treated her, but throughout the story she's been making rash decisions. Running off with a stranger believing it's love,but if she had married Paris and learned to eventually love him or marry someone her family agree's with, these events would not have occurred.
Bryan McKeever
3/14/2015 07:20:46 am
I believe that Juliet should stay with Romeo. The two are husband and wife, and they both feel so comfortable with one another. Currently in the book Juliet is completely against what her family wants her to do. That is perfectly fine; she is a woman and this is her life. She is at that age where she deserves to be the one who takes charge of her life and makes the decisions for herself. The best thing for her is to be with the one she really and truly loves, not with the one she is forced to love. There are two choices for Juliet at this moment: 1) She could be with the people that are not on her side (her father, mother, and fresh traitor Nurse) and be the only one believing that she shouldn't marry Paris, or 2) She could be with Romeo while having someone who is on her side. At this moment some Juliet support could go a long way. Finally, Romeo is her last hope. Everyone is not insisting that it would be best for her to marry Paris when she knows it is definitely not best. Even Nurse who brought Juliet up since she was a child is now agreeing with her parents that she hates. She needs to get away from all this and start a new chapter in her life with Romeo, one that will be filled with genuine love.
Montanna Wortham
3/14/2015 08:22:34 am
If I was in the position of Juliet, I wouldn't choose either Romeo or Paris, but the happiness of myself. Going after Romeo would mean leaving behind Juliet's family, and if it doesn't work out and Romeo is sent after to pay for killing Tybalt then Juliet is alone. On the other hand, if Juliet was to marry Paris then she would live an unhappy life, which would make her emotionally alone. If Juliet was to do neither, then her Father would disown her and send her to his friends, and whatever happens to her would happen and he would do nothing for her, and whatever was his she wouldn't be allowed to have. Juliet should do what is best for her, and not what other people think is best for her, whether that is marrying Paris or searching for Romeo or neither.
Ben
3/15/2015 01:31:41 am
I like how you picked something that you really had to look into a put Juliet feelings into perspective. Also I liked how you added the negatives of being with Romeo I think everyone else including myself did not think of that.
Lauren
3/15/2015 08:01:02 am
Montanna, I like how you chose a different point of view for your response, and I completly agree with you on the fact that Romeo should do what is best for her. Though no matter what she chooses there are consequences to both situations, she needs to follow her heart and do what she needs to do for herself in order to be happy in life.
Kelly Yarboro
3/14/2015 08:25:00 am
I think that Juliet should move away from where she is living to go live with Romeo. She is practically banished too so she should just move away with Romeo. If she is really in love with him then she should want to spend the rest of her life with him. She has no chance with Romeo now if she doesn't move away with him. Her parents want her to marry Paris and after she told her father that she wants to marry Romeo, he got really upset and practically banished her. So if she really is truly in love with Romeo then she will be banished with him. If she does move away with Romeo then, she should announce her marriage to her family and tell them why she is going to leave. If she tells her parents about the marriage that could make them understand that she is truly in love and let both her and Romeo stay. But if her family just gets more upset she should just tell them that she is leaving and that is final. It would be ideal for her to live her life with the guy that she truly loves rather than a guy that her parents forced her to marry and that she doesn't truly love.
Makenzie Christiansen
3/14/2015 10:21:13 pm
Kelly,
Torey Lussier
3/15/2015 12:12:11 am
Kelly, I get where you're going with Juliet telling her family that she's married to Romeo, but I feel as though that would make the situation worse for her and Romeo. She would be known as a traitor to her family and since they're well known, everyone would soon find out and she would be stuck in a situation that she doesn't need to be in.
Nathan Brown
3/14/2015 09:05:56 am
Considering the situation that Juliet is in, my opinion is that she goes with Romeo, despite her father threatening to disown her. If she doesn't leave, she'll lead a depressing life with a man she never loved who is 14 years older than she is. If she goes away, she'll be disowned by her father, but she'll be with the man she truly loves, where she can lead a happier life, even if it's only for a short amount of time that they have together. Her father may get over the fact that she went on her own and married someone she wanted to, but in this time period that generally did not happen. I mean, she's already married to Romeo so if she happened to get married at Friar Laurence's church Friar Laurence may say something about her already being married, putting here even deeper in trouble.
Bryan McKeever
3/15/2015 08:19:03 am
Nathan stop reading my mind! Well, evidently I completely agree with you. I feel like it would be much better to be stuck with someone you actually love as opposed to someone you're forced to.
Andrew Brown
3/14/2015 09:07:36 am
I feel like Juliet should go with Romeo, because of multiple reasons. One being that she's going to be disowned by her own parents, just because she won't marry the man they want her to. At home, she is verbally abused, and called a burden basically. With Romeo, her 'true love', she won't be verbally abused by him. Romeo is her husband, and they are to be together, due to the laws of marriage. She should tell her father that she is not going to be controlled by her, and that she is a free woman, and just leave the country with Romeo.
James Cameron
3/14/2015 01:04:39 pm
Andrew, I agree with what your saying. Your point about how she is verbally abused by her father is a very strong reason why she should be with Romeo, her, as you mentioned, true love. I like how you brought up the laws of marriage, which solidifies your claim that being with Romeo is the right choice much more
Jalyn
3/15/2015 04:30:19 am
I agree with how you think she should get away from her verbally abusive father, but do you really think her going with Romeo would be any different? Thr father acted on his passionate rage, just like Romeo did. I think that if she went with Romeo nothing would change. She would be treated the same way with Romeo even though he seems to be deeply in love with her it could change in an instant based on the actions he's made in the past.
Jeffrey Matheson
3/15/2015 09:35:23 am
What would happen if she did defy her parents? They said they would just banish her but do we know this for sure? They could do much worse since they have practically disowned her. What do you think would be the outcome of all this? It could make it worse for Romeo and they already plan to kill him.
Torey Lussier
3/14/2015 09:08:18 am
I believe that Juliet should stay in Verona and marry Paris. Juliet's parents said they would disown her and she would have to go and leave with her fathers friends if she didn't marry Paris. I believe they only said that to threaten her to stay since they want what's right for her. Juliet would still have to lie about not loving Romeo, which love shouldn't be like. If Juliet did love him and left to go to Mantua with Romeo, her mother already had planned for someone to go out and kill him. She would soon be alone on the streets because she followed what she thought was right. Also since this had only happened in a course of a day or two, Juliet and Romeo might've just had a small spark but that could just be it. They don't have the time to have a proper relationship and see if their feelings are actual or just out of lust.
Makenzie Christiansen
3/14/2015 10:56:37 pm
Torey,
Megan Patch
3/15/2015 02:07:24 am
First I want to commend you for taking the opposite role. I enjoy how you explained it and I agree with your argument. The family is doing what is best for her in their eyes, and her actions since she met Romeo were a bit rash, but she also needs to put into consideration what she wants. She obviously doesn't want to be with Paris, and does not like the control of her father over her life. She should admit to her marriage with Romeo to see the parents' reaction. If they see the errors of their ways, the act may stop the rivalry. However, if they disown her immediately, she should run away with Romeo.
Sophia
3/14/2015 09:29:16 am
I think that Juliet should run away with Romeo. She should leave a note to her family saying the circumstances, and saying that she had married Romeo, but not including where they went so that her family could not find them. By writing this note, she would get this huge secret off of her chest, and her family would know that she is already a married woman, and she couldn't marry Paris. She she should run away with Romeo because she will be happier with him, rather than with her family that doesn't really care about her. Romeo appreciates her and loves her more than life, considering he went to visit her when he was banished, when could have been killed. Once she is with Romeo, his banishment will mean nothing because they will be together, away from Verona where they were not welcomed as a couple. They could start a new, happier life without having to keep their love a secret.
James Cameron
3/14/2015 01:00:09 pm
Sophia, I like your idea of leaving a note and not just rushing off to Romeo. I completely agree with you about how the note will lift her burden of her marriage with Romeo, and not to tell the parents because they could, like miss capuley was planning to do, poison Romeo. I disagree, however, that once Juliet is with Romeo, away from Verona, that they will have a new and happier life. They will have each other, but what happened will always be with them. Romeo will never forget what happened to Mercutio and what he did to Tybalt. The memories of this could cause Romeo to make even more rash decisions without thinking, which could ruin Romeo and Juliet's relationship.
Emily Yip
3/15/2015 01:41:03 am
James, I compleately agree with your words. Also, with the idea of leaving a note for her parents, it may lead to the parents to become upset at her and also the Montague family. This shall lead to a surely unfixable feud between the families.
Andrew Brown
3/15/2015 10:27:59 am
Sophia, I am in an agreement with the point of the note. She would signify that she doesn't want to be in a marriage with Paris, as she's already married, and by the time the two parents discover the note, she'll be long gone with Romeo. Anyway, I also agree that Romeo doesn't treat her close to as badly as her father does, and Romeo cares for her much more than her parents, who basically referred to her as a burden.
Emily Hubbard
3/14/2015 10:01:20 am
I think Juliet should choose to go with Romeo rather than stay with her parents. It seems that her family would rather have her marry someone with money (Paris) than to be with someone that makes her happy. If her father is ready to banish her and not acknowledge her existence because she doesn't want to be with someone that makes her unhappy then he clearly doesn't have her best interest in mind. Though their love happened quickly, Romeo makes Juliet feel happy while her father just calls her names when she doesn't do what he wants her to do. As the question even states, her father is oppressive. Also, by marrying Romeo, she is saying that she will be there with him through anything, so that's what she needs to do. To prove that they are really in love she should go with him. 3/14/2015 10:47:56 am
Emily I completely agree with you that Juliet needs to go with Romeo. Their love for each other is so strong and there marriage may have been a rash decision, but it's just proof that they knew that their love was real and once someone has met their true love they can't just leave them its impossible, no matter what force is used, you cannot separate someone from who they love. They will always love each other and no one is going to change that. Juliet's father isn't thinking about her and like Juliet said: it was kind of them to try, but she has found who she wants to be with, and if her father can't except the fact that she would be happy with Romeo then he doesn't matter, she can't care about what he thinks she has to make her own decisions and being with Romeo is the best decision she could ever make. They make each other truly happy and that's all that matters.
Lauren
3/15/2015 07:53:04 am
Emily, I completly agree with you on the fact that Juliet should go and be with Romeo rather than stay with her parents. You're right about the fact that Romeo makes Juliet happy and her parents should respect that if they truley love their daughter. If her parents are ready to banish her, then there is no point in her staying with her parents, she should definatly go with Romeo. 3/14/2015 10:34:12 am
I believe that Juliet needs to go with Romeo because the two are already married and Juliet had said to Romeo not to swear his love and like we discussed in class how she said that he had to be serious around this and his love for her had to be real. Romeo may have acted rash on his decisions lately like marrying Juliet and slaying Tybalt, but their love for each other is real and they have to stick together. If Juliet's parents are ready to disown her because she doesn't yearn to marry the guy they want her to marry then so be it. Juliet needs to go with the man who is going to make her happy and love her and that man in her parent's eyes may be Paris, but they don't know that Romeo is her true love and their love is stronger than any amount of hatred the two families may have for each other.
Zack (Is awesome)
3/15/2015 12:19:08 am
Shane,
Ben
3/15/2015 01:27:53 am
The only thing I think you could add to this response to make it better is an explanation for why you picked the evidence but other then that I think your evidence matches up great with your claim. Also I liked how you add the part when Juliet made Romeo swear his love and it makes sense that if she made him swear allegiance then she had to too.
Emily Hubbard
3/15/2015 11:03:35 am
I totally agree with you that she should go with Romeo. Like you said, she told Romeo that his love had to be taken seriously and real, and I think she should follow the same rule. By going with him instead of with Paris, she is showing that her love for him is real, just like he said his would be for her.
Collin Vermilyea
3/14/2015 10:56:21 am
I think Juliet's best bet would be to go with Romeo to a new town because the only thing that could come out of staying would be getting thrown out into the streets anyway. Her parents have disowned her, leaving her with nowhere to go, so it would be best for her to have somebody by her side. Also, Romeo and Juliet are married and live each other, and moving to a new town together would be a perfect chance for the two to be together. After all, the reason Juliet was so distraught at the news of Romeo's exile was the fact the Romeo wasn't going to be around anymore. By running away with Romeo, Juliet will have the chance to be with Romeo at long last, and she will also have someone to go to and be with instead of having to live on the streets after her father kicks her out of the Capulet residence.
Danny
3/15/2015 12:40:23 am
Collin you bring up a great point. If Juliet has firmly made up her mind that she doesn't want to marry Paris she will be on the streets no matter what she chooses. She's better off with someone, especially someone she loves, by her side. While I do agree that Juliet should go with Romeo however, they may still be in danger. We already know the Capulets are sending someone to poison Romeo and they certainly won't be happy about Juliet's choice to go with him. She could warn Romeo about the poison but the Capulets might also try other methods.
Emily Yip
3/15/2015 01:37:28 am
Isn't it that when people are full of intense emotion, they will promise or swear they shall indulge in certain actions? Juliet's parents may have threatened her to get their way in the heat of their discussion. Parents will say and make their child do many things but they would never hurt their child, for they love them no matter what. They would never do anything to harm them. Also, even though situations seem bleak, with a possible banishment from her home and a forced marriage her "love" for Romeo is still only lust. Having not experinced a full on arguement with Romeo may lead to separation between the couple when they do have their first arguement. To go with Romeo with Danny's point of possible death and with the chance of separating, is a very unwise decision.
Ariana Baker
3/15/2015 01:48:22 am
Collin, although I believe that Juliet would be better off staying in Verona and letting Romeo go, you make some good points. i would just like to point out that, if Juliet did stay, she would not definitely be kicked out of her household. As I see it, Juliet is deciding whether to run away with Romeo or marry Paris. If she rejected Romeo and stayed, I see no reason why she wouldn't marry Paris and decide instead to live on the streets. When making your argument, that is just something to consider.
Lydia
3/14/2015 11:27:59 am
Juliet should attempt to find Romeo. Her first course of action would be to distance herself from her Nurse, who has revealed herself as a sort of traitor in appearing to now be against Romeo, who she calls, "a dishclout" in comparison with Paris. Juliet already had decided to no longer trust her Nurse, as she states, "Thou and my bosom henceforth shall be twain", meaning that the Nurse will no longer be within her circle of trust. Juliet should try to run away and find Romeo, now that she will be forced to marry Paris on Thursday. This is actually a really great opportunity for her, though, as she will be forced to really study her relationship with Romeo to determine if it is worth it to run away with him. Honestly, though, if she TRULY loved him, she would think nothing of it to leave, as it would prove their love if they were "banished together", so to speak. Any misgivings she might feel could be directed towards her possible misgivings of their relationship. Also, as exemplified by Romeo's attempted suicide, it would be easier to die than to be separate from your true love, knowing they were still out there and you could never be with them. This leads into her Plan B, or next best option. If she couldn't get away to be with Romeo, or found flaws in their relationship, she should kill herself. In this sense, it would be easier to die than to be forced to live with and be married to someone you didn't love (or even like, really). Her father has already shown a steadfast opinion on the marriage, and her mother isn't all that helpful. Even if she chose not to go after Romeo, she would be forced to live with an eternal "what if" that could have made her happier than she would be with Paris. The theory, "first love never dies" would make it nearly impossible to be happy with Paris, as she would always yearn for Romeo. I think that the unhappiness she would experience in being with Paris would drive her to the point of killing herself anyway. Having said that, she really is on her own now, with Romeo gone and their former "allies" having betrayed them, so her choice will really come down to putting such a massive amount of trust in their relationship, or leading a life of sorrow and misery.
Ariana Baker
3/15/2015 01:43:16 am
Lydia, you make excellent points and support your side of the argument exorbitantly well. Although I disagree and believe that Juliet's far better off letting Romeo go, you make an extremely convincing argument. I do have one question: It is is evident that Romeo acts rashly and feels passionately, but seemingly only for a short while is some cases (i.e. his love for Rosaline and instantaneous anger at Tybalt). Taking that into consideration, do you really believe that if Juliet follows Romeo into banishment, that they will live happily ever after and never grow apart? Never find someone else that they could love as well?
James Cameron
3/14/2015 12:49:58 pm
I think Juliet should go with Romeo. I say this because even though Romeo is banished, they could still be together. If she really loved him, she would go with him. There is also the fact that her parents disowned her because she wouldn't marry Paris because she doesn't love him, and she is already married to Romeo. They don't even awknawledge she is alive. If she stayed and married Paris, she would be showing that she never really loved Romeo, and that it was just lust between two teenagers, nothing serious. Juliet should follow her heart and go with the person she loves no matter what her parents think and what the consequences are. If she believes that she legitimately loves Romeo, then she should be with him.
Nate Barboza
3/15/2015 08:37:11 am
James I agree with your answer, but not with some of your reasoning. If Juliet's parents didn't care about her, then why would they go through all the trouble of setting up a wedding, even if she was totally against the whole thing? Also, if she married Paris, I do agree that she would be betraying Romeo but I don't believe it would change the nature of their love. If she was to marry Paris she would have done it out of fear of her fathers wrath or the shame that would follow her being disowned.
Jeffrey Matheson
3/14/2015 09:39:40 pm
What do you think Juliet should do considering her circumstances as a woman with a secret, banished husband and an oppressive father who demands she marry someone else?
Megan Patch
3/15/2015 02:18:06 am
I agree Juliet should follow her heart, but I disagree on the way you described on how she should confront it. She should admit to her parents that she had married Romeo behind their back, and explain all that had happened. The act would be risky, but she was going to be disowned anyway so she doesn't have anything left to lose. The best case scenario is that the parents see that their rivalry was petty, and see that Romeo' and Juliet's love is a symbol of alliance and peace between the families. The act could even lead to the Capulets dropping the charges on Romeo if Juliet was VERY lucky. Odds are the act would be out of Juliet's favor, but has a slim chance of saving her husband's life
Jeffrey Matheson
3/15/2015 08:57:45 am
True but you think just as Friar Lawrence. He believed that their marriage would unite the families but the decision to marry them was rash and not enough thought was put into it. If they were to just blurt out that they are married it could result in the parents making stupid, emotion ramped decisions that could hurt their children. The father was so quick to anger just because Juliet didn't want to marry and that resulted with here being banished from the family. If she comes out about her marriage something much worse could happen. But of course there is the chance that it could help if they come out with it.
Kelly Yarboro
3/14/2015 10:07:41 pm
Lydia- I totally agree with you, Juliet already has her whole family against her and Romeo being together. If she really does truly love Romeo like you said she will move away with him. I also liked how you said a plan b, because there is always a what if, what if she doesn't love Romeo,what if shes not able to run away with him. I would agree with you on your plan b only if she wasn't able to run away with Romeo. Once she runs away with Romeo i don't think she will be allowed back into where she is living. So if she ends up thinking that she doesn't want to be with Romeo she should probably just kill herself right then and there because she has nobody that cares about her other than Romeo, if she chose to run away with him.
Lauren
3/14/2015 11:18:19 pm
Considering her circumstances, I believe that Juliet should leave her family to go and be with Romeo because with Romeo going back to the Capulet house to comfort Juliet, more problems such as going against is banishment are being created, and it could just make things much worse. Additionally, by Juliet going to live with Romeo is proving that she truley loves him, and that it's not just infatuation. Plus, even though that in the beginnin the nurse was supportive of the marraige, the nurse now just goes along with what everyone else is saying, so without anyones approval of her loving Juiet, by going to be with Romeo and having no support from her family shows how much Juliet cares about him.
Arsani Mekheil
3/15/2015 09:32:36 am
I also think she should ditch her family to go with her lover, Romeo. Romeo shows that he loves her and will go back for her and care for her even though he is going to be banished to another city.
Emily Hubbard
3/15/2015 10:52:05 am
Lauren, I completely agree with everything you said, especially about the nurse. The nurse is the only one that truly supports her, but it seems that she doesn't anymore. So, now that the nurse doesn't approve of Romeo and Juliet anymore, there is no one left in Verona that Juliet needs to stay for.
Emily Yip
3/14/2015 11:39:58 pm
Juliet, with all of those conflicting surrounding problems in her life all at once, might attempt to possibly fix the feud between the families or just end her experince with this feud by death to rid of the problem in her life. All these problems that add up it will slowly crumble her that she needs a resolve. For one person to resolve all of these major problems, is highly unlikely and for one person to not be able to confide in her family about these problems makes it even worse. With these reasons, she may rid of her existence all together.
Zackery Gattoni
3/15/2015 12:14:48 am
Emily,
Emily Yip
3/15/2015 01:19:49 am
Problems that conflict each other such as her "secret, banished husband and an oppressive father who demands she marry someone else" as stated in the question.
Zackery Gattoni
3/15/2015 12:10:34 am
Due to Juliet's current situation, I would say that the only way she could possibly solve her dilemma is by moving away with her forbidden husband. She could get away from her father, and the fighting families of Capulet and Montague at the same time, a good solution, as it would help solve 2 problems that she would have to face if she were to stay in Verona. She would also get the added bonus of being with Romeo and doing whatever the two desire, seeing as they would be secluded from the families and they would not be judged or scolded at, by her angry father for doing so. One more problem she would have to face if she stayed in Verona was having to go on with her forced marriage to Paris. Romeo would most likely find out, due to him and Juliet telling each other their secrets and obsessions, and he would probably do something about it. The Capulets would also find out about this, and would most likely hunt down Romeo, for he had married their daughter without permission. So, honestly, the only real solution that could help the two would be to run away, in an attempt to avoid the potential disaster that would happen if Romeo and Juliet stayed.
Emily Yip
3/15/2015 01:26:41 am
Surely, as two teenagers run away, their parents would worry which would lead to the feud expanding into a larger issue. Because this feud has gone on for so long, the family members who take part in this feud has forgotten the original cause for the start of the feud. If their children, Romeo and Juliet run away together, the two parents shall surely blame each other and grow more anger that shall never be resolved. Their anger also could get word to the fleeing couple or the couple could have merely missed their parents and start to worry about them. With this worry within them, they might just start to build hate for each other as they blame each other for the abandoning of their parents. 3/15/2015 12:37:35 am
Considering her circumstances as a woman with a secret, banished husband and an oppressive father who demands she marry someone else, I think that she should disobey her father, ask someone whom is close to Romeo and ask about his whereabouts, and move away from the land so that she could search for him and once finding him, she could be together with him.
Gavin Wildrick
3/15/2015 02:42:24 am
Lawrence, I agree with you that Juliet should try to find Romeo and run away with him, but don't you think Juliet is just a little bit nervous about running away. Now remember she's only thirteen years old. Also how do you think that Juliet's parents would like to get the notification of their daughter running away? There are many factors that come into play with just one little decision of a thirteen year old and what she wants to do with her life.
Colin Jones
3/15/2015 08:27:27 am
Brian, although you supported you ideas well, it seems to me that leaving with Romeo would cause more conflict than staying and marrying Paris. Remember that someone is going to be hunting Romeo down to poison him, and Juliet being with Romeo when he's poisoned would put her in danger of being poisoned as well. Not only that, but if Romeo dies with Juliet around, she will be be heartbroken and suicidal.
Brian MacDonald
3/15/2015 09:57:47 am
I also agree with you Lawrence in the fact that Juliet should run away with Romeo but wouldn't Juliet not have to find Romeo she could just leave with him. I also agree with what Gavin said in the fact that Juliet is still a child and Romeo is only a teenager so if she does choose to go with Romeo it could jeopardize their lives because such young kids may not know how to take care of themselves. So it could wind up being a huge mistake for Juliet even though she loves Romeo. 3/15/2015 12:25:08 pm
BRUHHHH. I absolutely agree w/ u. Her parents would probably send a search party after her, in addition they would be heartbroken and/or scared of her actions if she had done this. Plus if Juliet's parents would've found out about the reason she had left, this could spark the tension between the families and/or cease the tension that is between them.
Brian MacDonald
3/15/2015 01:01:32 am
I believe that Juliet should run away with Romeo considering her current circumstances because the only way that Juliet would be able to stay with her secret husband Romeo was if she went with Romeo on his banishment. Also if Juliet were to run away with Romeo she wouldn't have to deal with her father nagging her to get married to Paris and also she just wouldn't have to be marry Paris. Also I think it would be best for Juliet to run away with Romeo because if she were to stay and were going to get married to Paris then she would eventually have to admit that she was already married to Romeo and it will create a lot of conflict between the two families and also many people will be mad at the nurse and Friar Lawrence for knowing about their marriage all along and allowing it to happen. That's why I believe it is best for Juliet to leave with Romeo to try and avoid conflict.
Kelly Yarboro
3/15/2015 01:09:38 am
I agree with you Brian that Juliet should run away with Romeo. Yes if she did tell her family that she was married to Romeo there would be a huge conflict. But do you think her marriage was an "official" marriage because usually at a nuptial ceremony there are family members from both sides of the family there. Also they usually say if anybody has objections to say something. So I don't think she would have to tell her parents, but I agree with you that she should run away with Romeo.
Ariana Baker
3/15/2015 01:32:32 am
Considering her father's threats of no longer supporting her, Juliet should move on from Romeo and give Paris a chance. This is supported by Romeo and Juliet's short time knowing each other and hasty decisions to get married. Both of the young teenagers have acted on a whim thus far, causing doubt about whether their relationship is more lust than love. In a quick moment, the couple decided to get married and immediately after, Mercutio is murdered by Tybalt, causing an enraged Romeo to kill him. Every emotion that Romeo feels is a passionate one, including the infatuation he has with Juliet. Both teenagers are so young that they may just be in love with the idea of love, without actually feeling it for the other. Juliet's feelings for Romeo are also being stirred by her parents insistence of her marriage to Paris and her reluctance to do as they say. Juliet claims to resist Paris's offer of marriage because she does not know him, but she had decided to marry Romeo after less than a day of knowing him. Not only did Romeo now murder her cousin, he is also being banished for doing so. Juliet's life would be better off letting him go. She will be able to remain in her home or with Paris, supported by her parents and continuing to live the life she had always led. With Romeo's spur-of-the-moment decisions, there is no certainty that they will have a long and happy relationship even if Juliet gives up everything she knows and goes with him into banishment.
Grace Mayer
3/15/2015 03:12:51 am
Ariana, I think you make good points. I like how you mentioned that Romeo makes many rash and hasty decisions and that may not work well in Juliet's favor if she drops everything to be with him, but think about her life if she chooses to stay with her family. Do you think her father will just forget about that huge argument and the horrible, mean things he said to Juliet? Think about the extreme tension between the two and and how Juliet will feel about living with a family that admitted they were cursed to have had her. Do you think Juliet could ever forgive her father for saying that?
Emma
3/15/2015 01:39:32 am
I am not completely sure what Juliet should do in this situation. I believe that her decision will be based off of her true feelings. If Juliet truly loved Romeo and they were serious about continuing their marriage, she should be able to tell her parents and be open to them about her feelings. In order to be honest with her parents she needs to be open and honest with herself first. Also, if Juliet really wanted to stay with Romeo she would be able to forgive him and his horrible actions and would leave her parents. But, if she didn't feel the same way about Romeo now because he has been banished and has killed one of her loved ones, she should be able to tell him that and would be able to give up that marriage without any regrets. Even though Romeo made a bad decision, if the love was real Juliet would be able to disobey her parents to be with the one she loved so she could be happy. But, if she was hesitant about forgiving Romeo, the love is probably not completely true/real and Juliet should stick with her parents and have them help her make the right decisions because she is only 13.
Gavin Wildrick
3/15/2015 02:34:02 am
Emma, I completely agree with what you said about Juliet needing to be honest with herself before she talks to her parents. You said that Juliet needs to come forward to her parents with her marriage with Romeo if she truly loves him, but I feel that Juliet, only being a thirteen years old, does not have the strength and courage to come out with information that may further the rivalry between the Montagues and Capulets. I also think she is scared that by her coming out with the information of her being married may further the consequences for not only Romeo, but even herself.
Megan Patch
3/15/2015 01:51:36 am
Juliet should runaway with Romeo. When Juliet first met Romeo, she experienced love at first sight evident by the way she began to kiss almost immediately after seeing him. She was also willing to marry Romeo within the first twenty four hours of seeing each other. Marriage is a long term agreement usually made by two people who want to be together for the rest of their lives. Juliet would need to have a very strong connection with Romeo in order to agree to such a long standing arrangement. However, Paris, the man Capulet wants Juliet to marry, is a stranger. She does not want to be in a relationship with a stranger, but if she disagrees with her father, she would be disowned by him. The disowning of Juliet could be compared to the banishment experienced by Romeo since both are undesired by society. Though disowned she could still be happy with the love of her life Romeo instead of miserable with the undesirable alternatives.
Grace Mayer
3/15/2015 03:21:12 am
Megan, I completely agree with what you have said here. I like how you pointed out how Romeo and Juliet are married and have agreed to spend the rest of their lives together, and because of this serious commitment, Juliet should do everything she possibly could in order to be with Romeo and stay true to that commitment. I also like how you mentioned that Juliet would be miserable if she stayed with her family and married Paris. I don't think her life is meant to be so unhappy, and I believe it would be worth the risk to be with Romeo and find the happiness that she desires.
Colin Jones
3/15/2015 08:34:53 am
Megan, to me Romeo and Juliet's love looks irrational, hasty, and fake, and they will probably regret it if they abandon their lives in Verona to be together. Romeo's previous decisions and actions, such as his love for Rosaline and murder of Tybalt, have made it evident that he never thinks things through, and either regrets his previous decisions and actions, or abandons them altogether.In my eyes, this is bound to happen with Romeo's love for Juliet, and Juliet will have wished she never left Verona.
Gavin Wildrick
3/15/2015 02:16:05 am
What do you think Juliet should do, considering her circumstances as a married woman whose husband, a Montague, has just been banished for killing a Capulet?
Nate Barboza
3/15/2015 08:22:34 am
I agree with you Gavin. But even if it isn't fair if her parents control her love life or who she is allowed to be around, that was the way girls were treated back then. They had little to no control over all aspects of their lives. That's just how things were done during that time period.
Brian MacDonald
3/15/2015 09:50:41 am
I agree with you Gavin in the fact that Juliet should run away with Romeo but I think if you backed up your statement with some information of what would happen if Juliet stayed your argument would be a lot stronger.
Emma Humphrey
3/16/2015 12:06:00 am
I agree with your answer that Juliet should run away with Romeo instead of listening to her parents and I also agree with Brian that If you added more evidence it would be a lot stronger
Jalyn
3/15/2015 04:19:17 am
I believe based on the circumstances, that Juliet should leave the city of Verona and start a new life. I do not believe what she had with Romeo was real and I think that she could find a much more suitable mate. Juliet has her whole life ahead of her and does not need Romeo limiting and slowing her down. I know that this would be a hard choice for her but I feel the good would out way the bad if she did this. She would be able to escape any negativity regarding her recent choices from her people, she would be able to get away from her verbally abusive father, and be able to make the life choices that she wants to without having to worry about making anybody mad at her. Juliet would be able to start a new life with someone who cared about her and did not murder people in her family out of rage. She could start a family. I really do believe that if she left she would receive her best chance at life.
Mackenzie Saltmarsh
3/15/2015 07:21:01 am
I agree that she should get away from all the drama with the family feuds, but if she just leaves Juliet will have no support, no money, and no food. Also if she leaves Romeo before actually getting to know him, she will be constantly reminded of him and always thinking about what would have happened if she didn't leave him. I feel she should try the relationship with Romeo, and then if it doesn't work out she will already have stuff on her own and she could leave Romeo to live on her own.
Mackenzie Saltmarsh
3/15/2015 07:14:00 am
My opinion is Juliet should leave with Romeo rather than stay with her parents. There are many reasons why Juliet should leave her parents, first her father gets very aggressive when Juliet does not obey his orders. He would tell her that she was worthless and that he wished he never had her as a child. The second reason she should leave her parents is she would be forced to marry someone without her consent. This could cause rivalries between her, her parents, and Juliet's husband. Finally, if she stayed she would always be part of the family feud with the Montague family. With this fight she will always be reminded of Romeo and how he has affected her life. If she chooses to leave with Romeo, there are many positive outcomes. For instance, if she leaves she could create a relationship with each other and start to actually love each other. Since they will be away form the feud they can bond without the pressures of their families. If Romeo and Juliet decide that they don't want to be together Juliet could go and live on her own or even go back home and live with her parents. In conclusion, Juliet should move out with Romeo and live/choose her own life.
Nate Barboza
3/15/2015 08:54:38 am
Considering Juliet's current circumstances, she should flee Verona to be with her lover, Romeo. If she were to follow the orders of her father and marry Paris, she would live the rest of her life unhappy and unknowing of what her and Romeo's relationship could have become. Also, her life would even more become restricted, now with two men in her life, her controlling father and now a husband who also is somewhat controlled by Julie's father. If she were to runaway to find and live with Romeo, she would be much happier with her life. Granted the fact that her decisions would lead to her family disowning her, her life would be considerably better.
Arsani Mekheil
3/15/2015 09:29:22 am
I agree, Nate. I think that she should not have to live with two husbands and especially with one of them banished.
Arsani Mekheil
3/15/2015 09:28:01 am
Personally I think Juliet should flee with Romeo to another city and completely forgot about their old lives. They should get new names and live in secret so the other neighboring cities wouldn't know who they are and what they did. Juliet should leave a note to her parents that she will not come back until they stop all this nonsense and fighting between the two families. The families should live in unity. If that then happens both, Romeo and Juliet would return to the city of Verona. The Prince then should give Romeo his unbalishment and declare it the last killing of both sides of the family. Finally both Romeo and Juliet will live happily ever after. ;) Leave a Reply. |
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